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[基础知识] 管路镀锌后法兰密封问题

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发表于 2021-11-17 15:08 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式 来自: 中国福建厦门
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有哪位大神告知下管子和法兰焊接完成后,管路镀锌时法兰密封面是否需要处理有什么说法没。
找了半天没找到规范标准来描述这方面要求的,现在船厂将管子法兰一起镀锌,船东要求法兰密封面不让镀锌,要求加工法兰密封面粗糙度到法兰制造的标准(3.2~6.3μm),管子都做好了要是加工工作量太大了,所以请教下谁能提供下相关规范标准。

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发表于 2021-11-17 15:17 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国辽宁
谁提出谁举证,法兰接触面镀锌有什么问题?
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 楼主| 发表于 2021-11-17 15:31 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国福建厦门
yhj1081 发表于 2021-11-17 15:17
谁提出谁举证,法兰接触面镀锌有什么问题?

要是他们200多页的规格书里有行小字写的“The gasket contact area of the flange shall not be coated”呢?
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发表于 2021-11-18 08:22 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国辽宁大连
COATED意思事涂装,跟镀锌两回事
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发表于 2021-11-18 08:44 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国上海
扯几把蛋,吃饱了没事做了
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 楼主| 发表于 2021-11-18 15:30 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国福建厦门
所以不管能不能镀锌有规范标准写了这方面的要求吗?
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发表于 2021-11-19 20:37 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国山东青岛
个人觉得只要水纹线没事就行。
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发表于 2021-11-22 11:08 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 新加坡
别人都是要涂层,他反而不要。有什么原因吗?是不是多打了一个NOT?看看别人是如何回复这个问题的。
Should the surfaces of flanges be coated to prevent corrosion? Why or why not?
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From Simon Latty of MCT Group :
There is a very good argument for coating flange faces, new and old. Most joint faces are often subjected to various types of corrosion, which can go unnoticed until it is too late, and the flange needs to be replaced, which would involve hot work and PWHT, neither of which is favorable, especially on a live plant. Polymeric coatings have been used extensively for refurbishment of deteriorated flange faces and for protection of new flange faces prior to going into service. It is even possible to replicate the serrations in an appropriate coating, and this type of treatment can eliminate further corrosion, which means that in many cases a coated/refurbished flange face can be considered better than a new one. As for pressure retention, if carried out correctly, this type of flange face coating can withstand pressure in excess of 150 bar.

From corey harink of Desert Blasting & Painting Ltd. :
I coated over 14,000 raised face flanges last year along with internals of spool pipe. We coat the internals for protection against the fluid flowing through the pipe. Without coating the flange faces, there would be no point in coating the internal spool at all. We have been coating this many flanges a year for more then 15 years and we never have issues with it. There does have to be some consideration for changing the gasket type to accommadate for the coated surface... linebacker gaskets are the norm here for that purpose. Spiral wound gaskets work; however, the metal rings in them cut the coating and if left bolted together, there are normally no issues. However, if taken apart, normally the coating on the flange face has damage, and re-use with out remedial work is not common. So for corrosion protection of internally lined pipe with raised face flanges, YES you must definitely coat the faces.

From Atanas Cholakov of Insignia JFZ :
Normally, the raised surface of a flange is never blasted or painted. (Those surfaces are sometimes referred to as machined, and this is where the gasket sits.)  The rest of the flange surface, though, is blasted, and a coating is applied. If the question originates from a project, the best answer can be found in the coating spec. Information should be provided, or else prepare an RFI and seek clarification.
From Robert Mexter of BC Hydro :
I have to assume you are referring to a flanged or bolted sections of some type of structural member? If so, I would agree that the section (flange) should be coated. In most cases we use an inorganic/organic zinc rich primer on all structural flanges. Overall, this has worked well, and we have never had any type of corrosion issues with our flanged areas.

From Brian Chapman of Cadillac Fabrication :
I submitted this question with respect to flanges on large industrial duct work....not piping and vessels. My original question was how to deal with plate and angle flanges on ducts.

From Mario Serra of Saras :
Which kind of corrosion? Internal or external? Normally, the answer is yes on both surfaces when required, but not in the seat gasket surface because a proper roughness and hardness is necessary to guarantee the tightness. At the same time, corrosion in the flat surface beside the gasket is found  to require maintenance.

From William Slama of International Paint/Ceilcote Products :
This reply is with respect to vessels (or pipes) containing a liquid that is corrosive to the flange material. With typical carbon steel vessel construction, almost all aqueous solutions will eventually (or much sooner) corrode the steel surfaces. That, of course, is why the vessel is coated (lined). It is imperative that the gasketed surface of any flange seal inside of the bolt ring; otherwise it would leak through the bolt holes. However, depending on the flange and gasket design, the seal may occur a little out onto the flange face. Even if the nozzle surface coming up to the flange is coated, there will likely be a line of attack available where the edge of the flange is exposed to the corrosive. So the only reliable procedure is to coat/line the surface of the flange. In doing that, the resulting surface of the lining on the flange face must be smooth and flat enough to accomplish a gasketed seal when bolted up to a similar flange of flat cover. For thick linings a special "pressing" technique is used to produce the flat smooth surface required. The simple rule is do not let the corrosive touch the steel.
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发表于 2021-11-22 11:11 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 新加坡
你这个是那里的船东?
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发表于 2021-11-23 08:44 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国辽宁大连
其实不镀锌也很简单,管口用胶带封上
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 楼主| 发表于 2021-11-23 10:55 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国福建厦门
aqwe 发表于 2021-11-22 11:11
你这个是那里的船东?

沙特阿美SEPCO
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 楼主| 发表于 2021-11-23 11:00 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国福建厦门
aqwe 发表于 2021-11-22 11:08
别人都是要涂层,他反而不要。有什么原因吗?是不是多打了一个NOT?看看别人是如何回复这个问题的。
Should ...

回复好像很全面,实际感觉有点跑题了呢,现在好像又多出来一个问题了,规格书里的COATED是不是包含镀锌这个处理方法,还是单指油漆或其他防腐方法。上述里面讲述了各方面的处理方法,但是好像没有直接讲法兰密封面镀锌的情况,不过还是感谢找了这么多参考回复。
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 楼主| 发表于 2021-11-23 11:01 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国福建厦门
yhj1081 发表于 2021-11-23 08:44
其实不镀锌也很简单,管口用胶带封上

锌池温度胶带扛不住的
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发表于 2021-11-23 13:00 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国浙江舟山
船东纯属扯淡,压载管法兰不都是COATEd,更何况镀锌对法兰防腐有好处,只要保证不漏水,漏气不就OK。别理会
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发表于 2021-11-24 10:34 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 新加坡
a445417324 发表于 2021-11-23 11:00
回复好像很全面,实际感觉有点跑题了呢,现在好像又多出来一个问题了,规格书里的COATED是不是包含镀锌这 ...

规格书里的COATED是不是包含镀锌这个处理方法,如果不包含这个处理方法,说明他提出的问题是不存在的,如果包含,这种处理方法是常规,问为什么要清除?
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发表于 2021-11-24 10:50 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国山东
    只要在密封线处涂抹黄油就没事(有些螺纹进池子都用此方法)不妨试试,所谓百货中百客了,没得办法比这揪心的事多了去了。
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发表于 2021-12-21 09:53 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国湖北宜昌
labilaoxin 发表于 2021-11-18 08:44
扯几把蛋,吃饱了没事做了

不错!不错!顶一下!
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发表于 2021-12-21 09:53 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国湖北宜昌
留得残荷听雨声 发表于 2021-11-24 10:50
只要在密封线处涂抹黄油就没事(有些螺纹进池子都用此方法)不妨试试,所谓百货中百客了,没得办法比这揪 ...

不错!不错!顶一下!
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发表于 2021-12-21 09:54 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国湖北宜昌
aqwe 发表于 2021-11-24 10:34
规格书里的COATED是不是包含镀锌这个处理方法,如果不包含这个处理方法,说明他提出的问题是不存在的,如 ...

不错!不错!顶一下!
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发表于 2021-12-21 09:54 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国湖北宜昌
aqwe 发表于 2021-11-22 11:08
别人都是要涂层,他反而不要。有什么原因吗?是不是多打了一个NOT?看看别人是如何回复这个问题的。
Should ...

不错!不错!顶一下!
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