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ccs说主甲板上的房子就叫甲板室,甲板室的门必须风雨密

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发表于 2018-3-7 14:39 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
如果甲板上建个房子,不风雨密,可以吗?夸张点,绗架的不可以吗?
她们还要求门槛必须600高。


遇到过CCS以及ABS的审图人员,解释不清,无语

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发表于 2018-3-7 22:12 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
你首先得搞清楚  你这个房间内部有没有直接通往干舷甲板以下的通道   如果有   老老实实 按照规范来吧  
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发表于 2018-3-8 08:46 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
hwlw1314 发表于 2018-3-8 08:15
目的决定设计的基础啊   这是船检死记硬背规范的后果

谁对谁错  楼主一面之词  也不好判断    不要一棒子打死所有   厉害的船检也很多的
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发表于 2018-3-7 15:22 | 显示全部楼层
不要问了,按照船检执行,这是基本规范啊。
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发表于 2018-3-7 15:39 | 显示全部楼层
应该没有强制把,有那种步桥上的避雨通道就两个孔的怎么说?舾装专业的出来解释。
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发表于 2018-3-7 22:17 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
如果是很普通的甲板室   没有通往干舷下面的通道  并且这个甲板室没有风雨密要求   比如乙炔间   就无所谓了   
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发表于 2018-3-8 07:54 | 显示全部楼层
在舷侧设立的乙炔室弄个钢丝网的门都可以,垃圾站更是连门都不需要;要啥风雨密,看舱室设计做啥用。
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发表于 2018-3-8 08:15 | 显示全部楼层
目的决定设计的基础啊   这是船检死记硬背规范的后果   
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发表于 2018-3-8 09:27 | 显示全部楼层
这个房间内部有没有直接通往干舷甲板以下的通道?
有的话要加的
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-3-8 09:27 | 显示全部楼层
说白了,jackup固桩室的门需要风雨密吗?
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发表于 2018-3-8 10:07 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
DraftMan 发表于 2018-3-8 09:27
说白了,jackup固桩室的门需要风雨密吗?

根据我的分析   你这个房间肯定有通往干舷以下的通道  不然船检也不会让你做600高的门槛了   既然是作为一个保护通往下层通道的甲板室   风雨密就是必须的了   如果你觉得很难理解   去看看这个房间的通风百叶窗  肯定也是要求风雨密的   所以船检没有错
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发表于 2018-3-8 10:33 | 显示全部楼层
摘取三段法规要求,看是否能用来答复问题:
LOAD LINE REGUALTION :

Regulation 12 - Doors
  (1) All access openings in bulkheads at ends of enclosed superstructures shall be fitted with doors of steel or other equivalent material, permanently and strongly attached to the bulkhead, and framed, stiffened and fitted so that the whole structure is of equivalent strength to the unpierced bulkhead and weathertight when closed. The means for securing these doors weathertight shall consist of gaskets and clamping devices or other equivalent means and shall be permanently attached to the bulkhead or to the doors themselves, and the doors shall be so arranged that they can be operated from both sides of the bulkhead.

  (2) Except as otherwise provided in these Regulations, the height of the sills of access openings in bulkheads at ends of enclosed superstructures shall be at least 380 millimetres (15 inches) above the deck.


Regulation 15 - Hatchways closed by Portable Covers and secured Weathertight by Tarpaulins and Battening Devices
  Hatchway Coamings

  (1) The coamings of hatchways closed by portable covers secured weathertight by tarpaulins and battening devices shall be of substantial construction, and their height above the deck shall be at least as follows:
  • 600 millimetres (23½ inches) if in position 1.
    450 millimetres (17½ inches) if in position 2.


  Hatchway Covers

  (2) The width of each bearing surface for hatchway covers shall be at least 65 millimetres (2½ inches).

  (3) Where covers are made of wood, the finished thickness shall be at least 60 millimetres (2⅜ inches) in association with a span of not more than 1.5 metres (4.9 feet).

  (4) Where covers are made of mild steel the strength shall be calculated with assumed loads not less than 1.75 metric tons per square metre (358 pounds per square foot) on hatchways in position 1, and not less than 1.30 metric tons per square metre (266 pounds per square foot) on hatchways in position 2, and the product of the maximum stress thus calculated and the factor 4.25 shall not exceed the minimum ultimate strength of the material. They shall be so designed as to limit the deflection to not more than 0.0028 times the span under these loads.

  (5) The assumed loads on hatchways in position 1 may be reduced to 1 metric ton per square metre (205 pounds per square foot) for ships of 24 metres (79 feet) in length and shall be not less than 1.75 metric tons per square metre (358 pounds per square foot) for ships of 100 metres (328 feet) in length. The corresponding loads on hatchways in position 2 may be reduced to 0.75 metric tons per square metre (154 pounds per square foot) and 1.30 metric tons per square metre (266 pounds per square foot) respectively. In all cases values at intermediate lengths shall be obtained by linear interpolation.

  Portable Beams

  (6) Where portable beams for supporting hatchway covers are made of mild steel the strength shall be calculated with assumed loads not less than 1.75 metric tons per square metre (358 pounds per square foot) on hatchways in position 1 and not less than 1.30 metric tons per square metre (266 pounds per square foot) on hatchways in position 2 and the product of the maximum stress thus calculated and the factor 5 shall not exceed the minimum ultimate strength of the material. They shall be so designed as to limit the deflection to not more than 0.0022 times the span under these loads. For ships of not more than 100 metres (328 feet) in length the requirements of paragraph (5) of this Regulation are applicable.

  Pontoon Covers

  (7) Where pontoon covers used in place of portable beams and covers are made of mild steel the strength shall be calculated with the assumed loads given in paragraph (4) of this Regulation, and the product of the maximum stress thus calculated and the factor 5 shall not exceed the minimum ultimate strength of the material. They shall be so designed as to limit the deflection to not more than 0.0022 times the span. Mild steel plating forming the tops of covers shall be not less in thickness than one per cent of the spacing of stiffeners or 6 millimetres (0.24 inches) if that be greater. For ships of not more than 100 metres (328 feet) in length the requirements of paragraph (5) of this Regulation are applicable.

  (8) The strength and stiffness of covers made of materials other than mild steel shall be equivalent to those of mild steel to the satisfaction of the Administration.

  Carriers or Sockets

  (9) Carriers or sockets for portable beams shall be of substantial construction, and shall provide means for the efficient fitting and securing of the beams. Where rolling types of beams are used, the arrangements shall ensure that the beams remain properly in position when the hatchway is closed.

  Cleats

  (10) Cleats shall be set to fit the taper of the wedges. They shall be at least 65 millimetres (2½ inches) wide and spaced not more than 600 millimetres (23½ inches) centre to centre; the cleats along each side or end shall be not more than 150 millimetres (6 inches) from the hatch corners.

  Battens and Wedges

  (11) Battens and wedges shall be efficient and in good condition. Wedges shall be of tough wood or other equivalent material. They shall have a taper of not more than 1 in 6 and shall be not less than 13 millimetres (½ inch) thick at the toes.

  Tarpaulins

  (12) At least two layers of tarpaulin in good condition shall be provided for each hatchway in position 1 or 2. The tarpaulins shall be waterproof and of ample strength. They shall be of a material of at least an approved standard weight and quality.

  Security of Hatchway Covers

  (13) For all hatchways in position 1 or 2 steel bars or other equivalent means shall be provided in order efficiently and independently to secure each section of hatchway covers after the tarpaulins are battened down. Hatchway covers of more than 1.5 metres (4.9 feet) in length shall be secured by at least two such securing appliances.

Regulation 17 - Machinery Space Openings
  (1) Machinery space openings in position 1 or 2 shall be properly framed and efficiently enclosed by steel casings of ample strength, and where the casings are not protected by other structures their strength shall be specially considered. Access openings in such casings shall be fitted with doors complying with the requirements of Regulation 12 (1)[/url], the sills of which shall be at least 600 millimetres (23½ inches) above the deck if in position 1, and at least 380 millimetres (15 inches) above the deck if in position 2. Other openings in such casings shall be fitted with equivalent covers, permanently attached in their proper positions.

  (2) Coamings of any fiddley, funnel or machinery space ventilator in an exposed position on the freeboard or superstructure deck shall be as high above the deck as is reasonable and practicable. Fiddley openings shall be fitted with strong covers of steel or other equivalent material permanently attached in their proper positions and capable of being secured weathertight.

Regulation 18 - Miscellaneous Openings in Freeboard and Superstructure Decks
  (1) Manholes and flush scuttles in position 1 or 2 or within superstructures other than enclosed superstructures shall be closed by substantial covers capable of being made watertight. Unless secured by closely spaced bolts, the covers shall be permanently attached.

  (2) Openings in freeboard decks other than hatchways, machinery space openings, manholes and flush scuttles shall be protected by an enclosed superstructure, or by a deckhouse or companionway of equivalent strength and weathertightness. Any such opening in an exposed superstructure deck or in the top of a deckhouse on the freeboard deck which gives access to a space below the freeboard deck or a space within an enclosed superstructure shall be protected by an efficient deckhouse or companionway. Doorways in such deckhouses or companionways shall be fitted with doors complying with the requirements of Regulation 12 (1).

  (3) In position 1 the height above the deck of sills to the doorways in companionways shall be at least 600 millimetres (23½ inches). In position 2 it shall be at least 380 millimetres (15 inches).






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发表于 2018-3-8 10:35 | 显示全部楼层
这个主要是看你主甲板上的这个房间是起什么作用的?根据作用和结构,来使用规范。
发表于 2018-3-8 11:02 | 显示全部楼层
江海直达 发表于 2018-3-8 10:33
摘取三段法规要求,看是否能用来答复问题:
LOAD LINE REGUALTION :

再摘取一个船级社规范,供参考:6.4 Companionways, doors and accesses on weather decks
6.4.1 Companionways on exposed decks are to be of equivalent construction, weathertightness and strength to a deckhouse in the same position and effectively secured to the deck.

6.4.2 Access openings in:


    bulkheads at ends of enclosed superstructures;
    deckhouses or companionways protecting openings leading into enclosed superstructures or to spaces below the freeboard deck; and
  • deckhouse on a deckhouse protecting an opening leading to a space below the freeboard deck

are to be fitted with doors of steel or other equivalent material, permanently and strongly attached to the bulkhead and framed, stiffened and fitted so that the whole structure is of equivalent strength to the unpierced bulkhead, and weathertight when closed. The doors are to be gasketed and secured weathertight by means of clamping devices or equivalent arrangements, permanently attached to the bulkhead or to the door. Doors are generally to open outwards and are to be capable of being operated and secured from both sides. The sill heights are to be as required by Pt 3, Ch 11, 6.4 Companionways, doors and accesses on weather decks 6.4.5Pt 3, Ch 11, 7 Tanker access arrangements and closing appliances[/url] and Pt 4, Ch 9, 13 Access arrangements and closing appliancesPt 4, Ch 11, 1 General[/url] and the Rules for Ships for Liquid Chemicals,  concerning access openings in tankers, chemical tankers and ore or oil ships. Double doors are to be equivalent in strength to the unpierced bulkhead, and in Position 1, a centre pillar is to be provided which may be portable.

6.4.3 Elsewhere doors may be of hardwood not less than 50 mm in thickness or of equivalent material and strength.

6.4.4 Fixed lights in doors in Positions 1 and 2 are to comply with the requirements for side scuttles as given in  and Pt 3, Ch 11, 6.5 Side scuttles, windows and skylights 6.5.2[/url]. Hinged steel deadlights may be external.

6.4.5 The height of doorway sills above deck sheathing, if fitted, is to be not less than 600 mm in Position 1, and not less than 380 mm in Position 2.

6.4.6 Where access is provided from the deck above as an alternative to access from the freeboard deck, the height of sill into a bridge or a poop is to be not less than 380 mm. The same requirement applies to deckhouses on the freeboard deck. The sill height for doorways in a forecastle, if protecting a companionway, is to be 600 mm regardless of whether or not access is provided from above. If not protecting a companionway, the sill height may be 380 mm.

6.4.7 When the closing appliances of openings in superstructures and deckhouses do not comply with Pt 3, Ch 11, 6.4 Companionways, doors and accesses on weather decks 6.4.2, interior deck openings are to be treated as if exposed on the weather deck.

6.4.8 Where an access opening, in the top of a deckhouse situated on a raised quarterdeck, gives access below the freeboard deck or to an enclosed superstructure, the closing appliances in the surrounding bulkheads are not required to be gasketed, provided the raised quarterdeck is at least standard height, and the deckhouse is at least standard superstructure height.

6.4.9 The height of door sills may be required to be increased on ships of Type `A', Type `B-100' or Type `B-60' where this is shown to be necessary by the floatability calculations required by the International Convention on Load Lines, 1966.

6.4.10 Direct access from the freeboard deck to the machinery space through exposed casings is not permitted on ships of Type `A', Type `B-100' or Type `B-60'. A door complying with Pt 3, Ch 11, 6.4 Companionways, doors and accesses on weather decks 6.4.2[/url] may, however, be fitted in an exposed machinery casing on these ships, provided that it leads to a space or passageway which is of equivalent strength to the casing and is separated from the machinery space by a second weathertight door complying with ]Pt 3, Ch 11, 6.4 Companionways, doors and accesses on weather decks 6.4.2[/url]. The outer and inner weathertight doors are to have sill heights of not less than 600 mm and 230 mm, respectively and the space between is to be adequately drained by means of a screw plug or equivalent.

6.4.11 For a Type `A' ship with freeboards assigned greater than, or equal to, Type `B', inner doors are not required for direct access to the engine-room.

6.4.12 If internal access is provided from a wheelhouse in Position 2, or below, to spaces below the weather deck either directly or through other spaces, the opening should be protected by a hinged weathertight cover adequately secured, fitted on a coaming appropriate to its position, or by an equivalent arrangement, and the space adequately drained.

6.4.13 In way of a moonpool, where a working or platform deck is provided below the weather deck, openings in the surrounding bulkheads are to be kept to a minimum. Access or companionway openings are to be provided with weathertight closing appliances as for an exposed superstructure bulkhead, with 600 mm high coamings.

6.4.14 Where portable plates are required in casings for unshipping machinery, or for other similar reasons, they may be accepted provided they are of equivalent strength to the unpierced bulkhead and are secured by gaskets and close spaced bolts at a pitch not exceeding five diameters.

6.4.15 The sill heights of accesses closed by covers which are secured by closely spaced bolts or otherwise kept permanently closed at sea will be specially considered.

6.4.16 Where permitted by the National Authority, companionway coaming heights may be reduced on ships engaged on protected or extended protected water service. Coaming heights are to be as high as practicable with a minimum height of 230 mm. Where the wheelhouse is on the freeboard deck, or located in the forward quarter of the ship's length, with internal access below, a weathertight cover, fitted to a coaming not less than 230 mm high, is to be provided for the access. Alternatively, storm covers are to be provided for windows in exposed positions. The wheelhouse is to be adequately drained.


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 楼主| 发表于 2018-3-8 11:19 | 显示全部楼层
小龙虾吃大鱼 发表于 2018-3-8 10:07
根据我的分析   你这个房间肯定有通往干舷以下的通道  不然船检也不会让你做600高的门槛了   既然是作为 ...

是通往干舷下面,沿着桩腿一直到了水面。

船检审图的要求百叶窗风雨密加风暴盖,门槛600,门风雨密。

看来英雄所见略同。

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 楼主| 发表于 2018-3-8 11:20 | 显示全部楼层
江海直达 发表于 2018-3-8 10:33
摘取三段法规要求,看是否能用来答复问题:
LOAD LINE REGUALTION :

结论是啥啊?

要不要风雨密啊?
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发表于 2018-3-9 11:54 | 显示全部楼层
船级社说的对
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发表于 2018-3-9 12:24 | 显示全部楼层
DraftMan 发表于 2018-3-8 11:20
结论是啥啊?

要不要风雨密啊?

看上面那么多一坨坨的屁用没有,直接按照ICLL18条处理不就得了
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发表于 2018-3-9 12:25 | 显示全部楼层
不会这么水的,内部都有check list既然审出了问题,退审会给出依据和出处的。
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发表于 2018-3-9 13:04 | 显示全部楼层
不是有LLC吗
不是有什么一区二区之类的吗
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